The artist and the anthropologist exchange and discuss on Art, Art History, Contemporary Art, shamanism, violence, sexuality and the various ethnographic influences that deeply inspire the artist's work. Filmed at the Besançon studio on September 1 and 15, 2023, Lionel Georges cameras. (read the transcriptions)

Noël Barbe is an anthropologist and researcher at the Laboratory of Political Anthropology (EHESS-CNRS). His work focuses on forms of presence of the past and their politicisation, forms of allocation of heritage value, the politics of art, the political epistemology of ethnographic knowledge, the experiences of anti-capitalism, and a political anthropology of literature. Much of this work is engaged in practical and political arrangements.